pool bar could open a little later into the evening,,,showers a little dated..

the views were spectacular, the enjoyed the sauna and the pool, the breakfast was also ok and the staff was very attentive and responsive

pool & breakfast

the weather wasn't great during our stay, but otherwise the pool area would have been a vibe

top that off with a very friendly staff, clean pool and that made that we had a very pleasant stay at this hotel

rooftop pool and breakfast

hotel itself was great - large, clean, updated rooms, great continental breakfast, and a rooftop pool and sunbathing area with a view

the hotel is kept very clean and the staff are very friendly, the roof top pool is fantastic and i would recommend to anyone to stay here

not at all touristy, wonderful breakfast that you could eat in or outside, delightful roof top pool and superb location

the location was perfect and roof top swimming pool was just perfect thankyou so much to the staff at pestana fisherman

restaurant staff provide very good service and rooftop pool is perfect for a hot day

we loved the hotel. the location, the view, the pool, the personel.

the pool is really nice and the sitting area next to it the photo i added is from the restaurant

i also thought the rooms were very comfortable and clean and enjoyed the pool

beautiful location, amazing view, perfect food and pool/sauna area.

the pool has perfect water temperature

nice swimming pool right next to the beach

enjoyable outdoor pool with bar

ooth black sand), lovely sea view, clean and relatively modern room

amazing swimming pool

we didn't get a chance to use the pool, but it looked splendid and clean

swimming pool with stunning view ( nice to swim even in january), tasty and fresh breakfast

the whole very clean ensemble has a great pool where we could refresh ourselves after extensive levada walks

beautiful property with its small vineyard, avacado trees and other fruits and flowers, fantastic pool and a real touch of luxury in the accommodation

it has such amazing views and lovely pool area

amazing location, friendly staff, tasty buffet, beautiful pool. amazing personal patio.

the swimming pool requires some attention.

tv and pool weren’t working

can’t fault this place. nice pool, nice room, great breakfast. friendly staff

center and to camera de lobos - perfect size of the hotel - no crowds at the breakfast or at the pool - amazing ocean view from the balcony - tasty breakfasts - friendly hotel personnel - everyday

room had seaview and was on lower floor but easy to get to pool etc

by the pool they had nice snacks and drinks

staff were so friendly, food was great and the pool bar was just what we wanted. thank you!

all pool n bar staff friendly, helpful n professional especially juan and stefano

friendly staff and really great pool facitilities

swimming pool was great plus the jacuzzi (where we always stayed ud83dude02) we will definitely coming back

lovely view from our room and grounds and pool we're very pretty

temperature in the sauna is quite low, and the water in the swimming pool is freezing, you don't want to go in it

well maintained swimming pool

nice view to the ocean, calm area near swimming pool, jacuzzi

everything is very clean, the pool is great and it's located in madeira's prime location, easy access to funchal centre

good swimming pool

great little outside bar by the pool in the afternoon with reasonably priced drinks including cocktails

the ocean view from the lovely garden with the pool was incredible and relaxing

we enjoyed the breakfast spread and the kids had a great time at the indoor heated pool

great location, nice pool with a pleanty of sunbeds, large rooms.

the pool is way too cold. i’ve never been able to get in it!

the pool was clean and there was ample sun beds

we enjoyed the breakfast at the pool

the breakfast was excellent. the pool and pool area are magnificent. very child friendly

location, awesome swimming pool

pool and room

location,swimmings outside area large and nice inside pool and sauna

were upgraded to a suite which was a bonus, pool area was great with shaded areas if you needed them and umbrellas for hire at a reasonable 1

indoor pool, as well as outdoor

spa could’ve been better. water overflow from indoor pool made floor slippery at times

both the rooftop terrace and the ground level terrace are great for relaxing and suntanning; the pools are not heated but refreshing :) the spa, in addition to a small heated pool, has a finnish

the breakfast, saunas and indoor pool

the only think could be changed - indoor pool opening hours - for us 9 a

breakfast, the sauna in the basement, the balcony with sea view, the swimming pool on the top floor with a magnificent 360-degree view of sunrise and sunset, etc

the pool was well-maintained, with towels and deckchairs readily available at any time of day

rooms, beautiful faded beauty of the gardens, quiet, good food for breakfast, dining and in the pool bar, pleasant staff

the service the atmosphere the garden the pool the view the restaurants

the pool area although it could look a bit more welcoming and tropical around the cafe and bar

and showers by the pool could do with a face lift although the area was clean it is a bit shabby

strong chlorine smell in the pool room

the hotel itself is absolutely beautifully kept, with a gorgeous view of the water, lovely pool and spa facilities

loved the large pool and sea views, helpful staff and great breakfast

a euro to change pool towel seems petty and 12 euros for use of the safe is excessive for a 3 night stay

pool and outdoor areas are beautiful

location, free transfer to funchal city center, really close to beaches and pool complex

and clean room nice swimming pool wide choice at breakfast amazing sea views from rooms and at breakfast friendly

the hotel rooms are a good size for a city hotel and the little pool/sunbed area was very pleasant to sit in

brilliant seaviews, bus service nearby and swimming pool

the pool was quite nice and we were told that the new glass visors are a new addition and it makes all

we much appreciated the sun-deck and the inner swimming pool

room exceeded expectations, great location and pool on the rooftop. great breakfast buffet.

the swimming pool and the patio are excellent too

lovely indoor pool and spa

maybe one little thing: a wall clock in the swimming pool would have been appreciated

the pool area is stunning with infinity pool, beautiful gardens and plenty of sunbeds

the pool was awesome. location waa great

very nice pool area

i loved the pool area

deck bar beside the swimming pool was extremely expensive and unfortunately meant we didn't stay on site throughout the day for

the pool are is overcrowded with sun beds.

nice rooms, pool absolutely lovely and spa aria

swimming pool could be bigger, but enough

you have different restaurants to choose, bars, indoor pool, and entertainment for kids

the kids’ club, while my youngest had the best time at the night entertainment and in the pool

beautiful infinity pool also an indoor heated pool and a garden area

you should also extend the outdoor pool hours, the views from it would be unbelievable in the late night hours after the sunset

the outdoor pool area loses the sun after 4pm. not really their fault!

great outdoor and indoor pool

i must mention that the pools seemed clean and well-maintained which is quite important

pool, spa, room space and balcony, as well as amazing breakfast

the room was spacious and clean with a large outdoor terrace with sea and pool views

the pool is nice size and surroundings are clean

went to the indoor pool and also the jacuzzi, everything great

just to add, the indoor pool is big and open even after 9 pm

staff are lovely, the pool is always really clean and refreshing, it is very well cared for as we see the pool man

apartment we stayed in was enormous- we had two balconies looking over the pool towards the sea

loved the pool and very friendly staff

prime location, easy check in and out and the swimming pool.

the swimming pool and gardens were very well maintained

we had lunch at the bar by the pool and it was excellent as well

we enjoyed the 2 indoor heated pools, one of which connected to an outside pool, aside form the big main outside pool just in

beautiful pools

1 night and i loved the hotel, the room is spacious also the balcony, where i was able to see the pool, garden and a bit of the sea

stayed late in the season and the outdoor pool wasn't heated

the internal pool was closed but we didn't miss it as there was also an external one open from 8am to 8pm

the indoor pool and spa are so warm, you could spend all day in there

terrace, outdoor pool / indoor pool, window view, close to the ocean, daily room cleaning, helpful staff

just loved ot ,staff lovely, food lovely, swimming pool lovely, all good.

the pool and territory of the hotel are incredible

plenty of loungers at the pool

especially helena at the pool bar excellent spa staff value for money very helpful manager who obviously wants his guests to

pool and bar area lovely, great staff

clean rooms. nice pool and nice pool bar.

the hotel's amenities, including the pool and dining areas, were top-notch

much everything, the location, the pool, the rooms, the staff, the beautiful view especially at sunset

we practically had it to ourselves, they brought breakfast up, the bath in the room, infinity pool and view from the hot tub was to die for

the pool was cold! then again, we did go in january :)

about this hotel just makes you feel amazing, from the pool facilities to the kind and warm staff

great value for money. awesome views from the pool

would be better if the hotel reception was separate from the spa and pool reception

we didnt have time to emjoy the pool and the gym, but all looks clean and great addition

the smell at the indoor swimming pool

indoor pool could have a refurbishment

swiming pool was nice and the bar

occasional problems to find staff at the pool/lobby bars, pool not heated.

- i don’t know - similar to penthouse seaview, featuring huge window and terrace with ocean and pool view

everthing i love the pool

loved the very convenient location and rooftop with pool, perfect to chill before or after a day of

i particularly enjoyed the swimming pool at this property, and the rooftop pool's stunning views added a fantastic dimension to my

ended up staying at the florasol hotel: swimming pool, the apartment was spacious, the localisation was also great, with loads of restaurants and a

pool was clean and great temperature and staff were very helpful when

lovely pools

indoor swimming pool needs updating perhaps separate area for the kids

didn't try the pool cause we had just one day to stay in town and not be hiking somewhere and the lady from

pool, peaceful, clean

staff was just fine, great facilities swimming pool and jacuzzi excellent

is enough entertainment around to not spend much time in your room anyway, between the swimming pool, the jacuzzi, bars and so on

lovely pool and leisure facilities, staff v helpful, good variety for breakfast

the new facilities with indoor pool, gym, sauna and steam bath

overall, the hotel is in a good location, has a nice swimming pool with service and an unforgettable rich breakfast

they have a lovely pool area, and a gorgeous rooftop bar that gives you fantastic views of madeira

very good breakfast in a nice, light room, adjacent to the pool

the views, the pool, the staff, it was all good :)

the swimming-pool is also a must of this hotel

facilities - great pool and you can jump into the ocean from the back of the hotel

the water on the outdoor pool is at a perfect temperature and the pool flooring is non-slippery, fabulous for our little

location with fabulous access to the ocean for swimming and a lovely pool and sun terrace

hotel with ocean view and access, lovely pool, pool staff that ensure everyone's safety and comfort in the pool area, breakfast selection

sea view, swimming pool, arrival platter of pastel del pasta.

spa, room, balcony, view, public areas, pool

and corridors was a bit outdated, when compared to the very modern style of the back building pool for instance

pool area is spacious and very well serviced

pool area was nice

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the pool, health club and gym are perfect for those who want to be active, while the sun terrace

gym should be open earlier. more available staff at pool bar in afternoon.

the outdoor terrace was elegant and the 3- level pool was absolutely wonderful and elegant

breakfast amazing and swimming pool and jacuzzi were great

there is a cold and warm swimming pool and jacuzzi which are well maintained and which we enjoyed using during our three day stay

location, very good wi-fi, clean, good food, free parking , swimming pool,

sea view one of the best, same balconey, swimming pool area impressive just on the sea, last

beautiful views and grounds. amazing infinity pool.

location is great, the staff are very friendly and helpful, wonderful restaurant by the pool, the food is delicious and the portions are very large, the prices are also pleasant

no indoor pool was a big thing for me

stayed for a week half board,pool view room

-wish the swimming pool was bigger to allow proper swimming training

the hotel also has an amazing heated indoor pool which was amazing to come back to after a day exploring the island

the pool was excellent

a lovely room, with a balcony overlooking the garden and pool area

selection of food during breakfast and it was the same each day ( for veg even worse), very bad like an instant coffee

location breakfast

the breakfast is not very rich and it is same every day. in the room there is no hairdryer.

breakfast was very good

exterior space for breakfast

pool, breakfast

walk from town centre ,had live music for some of the morning breakfasts and in evening at the pool giving lovely atmosphere

the grounds apwere beautiful, the pool and facilities clean and staff super friendly

enjoyed swimming in indoor pool as well as jacuzzi, steam room and gym

location, grounds and pool area, room size and comfort and lastly attentive staff who made our stay pleasurable

the pool area was spotless and the salt water pool excellent for a swim

there was a lovely warm spa pool with an inside and outside section, meaning you can swim from one to the other without getting

beautiful view room, stuff so friendly and nice, amazing pool and views all around the hotel… we celebrated our honeymoon and they upgraded us for an

everything was great, the staff is so nice, so helpful. good breakfast, nice swimming pool!

indoor outdoor pool plenty of sunbathing area's with pools at every level

we spent hours at the infinity pool and jacuzzi

we very much enjoyed the infinity pool and played some tennis on a well maintained court

the infinity pool is amazing

the infinity pool has always lots of free sunbeds & is so beautiful

quality of service in all areas of the hotel - reception, spa area, room cleaning, restaurant and pool

good size pool

heated outdoor pool. pool bar closed

the indoor swimming pool was great as too cold for the outdoor pool in winter

the bars were mostly shut, cocktail bar never open and pool bars never open, despite excellent weather

room, lovely pools, nice food and entertainment (i loved the folklore dancers), polite staff, car parks

quite special and you can wander in the lovely garden , also you can swim in the cliff swimming pool

our breakfasts by the pool were a highlight as were the late night drinks on the balcony

enjoyed high tea, breakfast every morning, the sea pool, the gardens

hotel is indeed legendary, fantastic location, impeccable facilities and the pool is just amazing

the gardens and pool area were immaculately maintained

the indoor swimming pool was a bit cold to our taste

y couple) superb facilities including rooftop swimming pool room was spacious and well decorated and clean breakfast was varied and

amazing views from the balcony and indoor pool

our two teenagers loved the game room and the pool

saline heated indoor pool

the rooms, gardens,public areas and pool were all superb and well designed and maintained

and enjoyed all the hotel had to offer - glorious garden, seasonal food and a beautiful swimming pool

5 acres of gorgeous gardens, pool and resident giant tortoise

so clean pool i never saw in any of hotels

the pool is so quiet and relaxing, surrounded by those beautiful plants

swimming pool was very clean and a good size

the whole experience. loved the pool by the ocean.

the pool area was amazing over looking the water

the pools both indoor and outdoor were excellent

pool rules should be reversed

the pool was exceptionally clean as was the whole property

also, the indoor heated pool and jacuzzi was a

menu in the pool bar was excellent

decor, facilities, restaurant, pools and spa

pool and spa are very well equipped too and the staff is kind and helpful

the room was a haven of comfort, featuring a private swimming pool with ocean views

if you want exceptional staff, food, bedrooms, pool areas etc this is the place to come

being able to sit outside beside the pool is very nice

the pool area is beautiful and the rooms were really comfortable also

you can also choose restaurants or swimming pool from both hotels

the pool area was well laid out

it feels like you're at a small resort with lots of restaurants (including fine dining), great pool, spa and bars (+) excellent facilities (heated indoor pool, game room, fitness room etc) (+)fantastic hotel with everything you need. the pool was great and the staff were excellent (+) rooftop infinity pool with awesome view (+) large and roomy with plunge pool on the terrace (*)location with sea view rooms at higher floor, lovely staff, pool water very soft one, amazing restaurant & bars (-)price should be included in stay the jacuzzi could be warmer - always like warm indoor pool was luke warm - could be hotter (esp when the weather isn t too (+)hotel and pool area (-)pool beds were not good as they didn't have any cushions (+) the outdoor pool is humongous and the staff is very friendly and professional (-)the indoor pool is not that big, but the humongous outdoor pool is a bit heated anyway :) (+)the roof top pool is epic!

so 1 coffee/tea each before calling room service for more

fantastic location! staff is extremely helpful ! kids club staff was great

we had a bad experience with one of the room service staff members who was too intrusive

be attractive - many beautiful eating areas and the large swimming pool is a win for those with kids

sea views, kitchen in the room, great variety at breakfast, access to pool and rooftop bar

be better to cover the terrace sides with tall glass frames to prevent the wind from blowing the pool lounge chairs across the bar and customers

amazing terrace pool and bar on top floor

,rooms were spotless, and pool area was fabulous

clean, access to the sea via the hotel, salt water pool, good lunch menu on the restaurant, very attentive and friendly staff

lovely balcony with pool (and sea access) and sea view (+) you can use the main and mar hotels, beautiful pool with plenty of loungers and towels provided (+)location just on seaside, having a swimming pool is excellent (+) pool was clean and tidy and the whole hotel and grounds were kept in good order (+)excellent hotel. magnificent breakfast. luxurious large seawater pool. (+)many tall hotels is a hotel with beautiful gardens and across the road a very large sea water pool with access to the sea (+) lovely traditional setting with access to pool and sea at penha mar (+)the hotel and facilities, pool etc was exceptional (+)views,great facilities,excellent choice of breakfast,clean,quiet and beautiful gardens and pool, close to town (+) guests have the use of two pools, one in the old hotel grounds and another in the sister hotel which is a very short walk away

the room, breakfast choices and location were to our satisfaction.

hotel has a classic style, all the staff were helpful and friendly, the breakfast was great and the facilities made our stay easy and comfortable

ceptionists, cleaning staff, restaurant and bar staff, swimming-pool personnel, i hope i didn't miss anyone

everything! the location, the breakfast choice, the staff availability.

gym is ok, swimming pool great, saunas (not warm enough but very pleasant) (*) indoor pool and spa is nice, although for me the water was a bit cold (+) roof top pool with spectacular views (+)lovely pool and gardens and leisure facilities (+)staff were very accommodating. spa and rooftop pool were amazing as well. (+) the roof top pool was a dream as well as the spa inside (+)good location, nice room,big balcony, clean was visiting in january so only used the indoor pool and jacuzzi which was again very nice, outdoors pools look also great and great view from the (+)clean room fridge in the room with refreshment drinks at no extra cost rooftop pool excellent selection at (+) the views were breathtaking, the pool was huge and had lots os space to rest, and the architecture of the hotel was very charming (+)breakfast, indoor pool , comfortable bed

kettle or coffee making facilities in room had to use room service at 8 + items free parking only for 5 cars you had to pay 15 per

staff was so friendly, not sure how the staff found out it was my birthday but room service of champaign was sent

pastana casino hotel is lovely with very welcoming staff and great facilities

) was a shame and bar got busy at night with a bit of a chaotic approach to ordering drinks, but struggling to think

the pool was could be cleaner

the rooftop pool is an extra, and the view from the terrace is amazing

the breakfast is really basic, but good, and the pool has a wonderful view and perfect after one day of hike but i would add some beach chairs

amazing views, swimming pool

lovely rooftop pool that i had to myself every day

at the end of the very very long corridor, the outside training equipment, the red swimming pool, the list is endless

and let's not forget the infinity pool and plentiful supply of sun loungers and parasols

lovely sun bathing and pool area and for the fitness afficianados lots of gym equipment in the open sir

enjoyed sauna and swimming pool

staff at the pool bar just did not want to serve any of us up there

loved the rooftop infinity pool and its view of funchal and the ocean

great roof terrace and pool, restaurant was amazing , breakfast was lovely

rooftop pool in city. location great. unique style. personal service

swimming pool at the top of the hotel with a nice bar area

we love the pool area

good sized, spotlessly clean; on the rooftop there's a bar open till evening with a small plunge pool and free sun loungers

it's near restaurants, the sea and swimming pool for children

the room was nice, pool too, breakfast enormous. good value for money!

small pool on the 7th floor terrace was great and the bar area was perfect for the sunset view over

spacious, rooftop pool, location.

we used the pool and it was very nice as well

rooftop swimming pool with nice views over funchal, delicious breakfast, comfortable rooms

beautiful room and bathroom. lovely pool area. very helpful staff.

great breakfast lovely pool area amazing view from roof top bar

you can have coffee or food there and swim in the pool if you want

lovely roof top swimming pool and bar

both the rooftop pool and indoor pool are excellent and the restaurant is exceptional

although the pool was smalll it was great for swimming a few lengths and cooling off

we loved everything - the location, the welcome champagne, the rooftop pool and hot tub that stayed open until midnight where you could enjoy the backdrop of the night

very good rooms and facilities, but the best of the hotel is the open air rooftop swimming pool with a superb view of funchal, an experience worth the stay in its own

pool fantastic and views

rooftop bar could have been well utilised as it would have been nice to be serve refreshing drinks whilst

and a laundry room 4 mins away

the view from the terrace is nice, but the bar never seemed to be open

wifi worked fine

excellent location, rooftop pool and bar.

fabulous rooftop pool and bar area

top pool and bar was excellent superb location right in the heart of the old town staff were so helpful

do the rule that you can not put towels on the pool bed for the whole day

clean, excellent service, wonderful rooftop pool

had a new year buffet, which was excellent and that we could see the harbour from the rooftop pool, which meant we could see the awesome firework display

comfortable quiet room. helpful friendly staff. great roof terrace bar and pool.

very good shower water pressure, pleasant staff, rooftop views and relaxing solarium and pool with bar, excellent

location, was clean, good sized room, had a small pool on the roof which was nice

nice room. swimming pool very good

not a heated pool (not a massive issue) as i only used the pool once (-)toboggan sledge passes constantly by steep hill to approach they don t warm the pool, and the water is very cold (+)hills in a picturesque area and it is well equipped, it has a gym, a wellness part and a swimming pool (+)stunning view. nice swiming pool. (+) the pool was also nice (+) gym/pool/spa were great (+)friendly staff, perfect location to sightseeing, wonderful spectacular terrace with pool (+) the spa was wonderful as well as the pool (+) breakfast room , terrace views and swimming pool service by angela at front desk, daniel and marco in the restaurant and manager paulo

we had rented a car from the airport

enjoyed our stay very much , great breakfast and super dinner

the spa facilities were great and it was good to be able to unwind after a day of many activities

nice addition is that all facilities like gym or spa are included

check-out to leave out suitcases at the reception and we also appreciated being able to use the pool in the afternoon on our check-out day, amazing

very helpful staff. comfy beds. drinks delivered to the pool from a phone call. just brilliant

with plenty of choice good sized, clean room with comfortable bed sun terrace and swimming pool on the roof ideal for relaxing after a day's

sure we could be there for breakfast or else they would have made a plate for us, a very cool pool and a great view

hotel staff - beautiful view over the city from the rooftop - tasty breakfast - gym and swimming pool - comfortable bed - close to pingo doce and the city

didn’t get to use the pool because the weather was not so good but the roof top bar was lovely

the rooftop pool and bar have fantastic views

rooms were clean, staff is helpful, nice clean pool with a great view - one side to the sea and other sides to the city and nature

hotel in the center with lovely roof top bar and pool, the staff was excellent

lovely rooftop bar with nice drinks and pool that unfortunately we didnt get to use as the weather was a bit cold but looked so nice

lovely pool terrace

amazing large indoor warm pool great food and bar area lovely

floor was superb, we had room 23 last year and both were great with access to the garden and pool from the balcony gate

great ambiance, excellent service and breakfast, lovely pool area

room was lovely, sea view and pool view we sat on the balcony at night with a drink listening to the

swimming pool was on the cold side!

the pool area is immaculate and the views out to sea are great

the pool to be heated would have liked a proper double bed rather than two singles pushed together

excellent, excellent value for money, great swimming pool, easy access to cable car

it is a pleasure having breakfast (good selection of food) on the terrace overlooking the pool - and dinner as well (see photos)

a “purple friday” electronic dance concert in the bar at the end of the gardens behind the pool

nothing else, i would go again for the views from the hotel - from breakfast, rooms, swimming pool, bar, elevator - all incredible

we were there at the beginning of january and were able to enjoy the outdoor pool and ocean views

pool, bars, breakfast, food in the restaurant - everything was great

location , gorgeous pool and spa facilities

the pool area was very nicely furnished with amazing views also

the view over funchal from the hotel varander and pool area were out of this world.

the hotel has a perfect pool on the roof and plenty of spa possibilities which we didn't made use of, as life is too short

we enjoyed the beautiful garden, swimming pool, and a sauna

a swimming pool at the top of the hotel, and a small garden, with a scenic view and some tables to seat and

swimming pool facility and spa is old.

the out door pool was very cold the children would not go in it

only disappointment was not having an outdoor heated pool

was first class good selection and served in a lovely room, the pool was very good as was the spa we both had an excellent massage

pool was really nice and the overall atmosphere in this country estate is very relaxing and quiet

indoor pool was pretty cold and had no things to make it warmer

the amenities, including a beautiful pool and spa, are top-notch

did not spend any time in the outside pool - it was too cold but inside pool was ok

warmer out side pool haha should warm up nicely for summer though!!!

good breakfast, indoor pool was great and had great views and a ping pong table

very nice overall atmosphere convenient parking easy access to all the main tourist attractions a pool is a big

absolute sanctuary with beautiful gardens and a pool

pool is cold - so not ideal when the weather is cool like now

unfortunately we didn't use the pool due to the weather, but it looked beautiful

made us takeway breakfat for the plane,very kind ud83eudd70ud83eudef6 stunning garden with sauna, pool, massage placeud83dude0a and those flowersud83eudeb7ud83eudd70 definitely will come

location with beautiful gardens and pool

too expensive to use the spa and indoor pool.

the pool is a

lovely pool at centre with great poolside bar, and beautiful views out over the sea, which feels like it's

is very poor throughout the whole territory and by the pool, bar the reception area, but it is understandable, as the site is too big